You'r right that is a bit too easy/lazy.Originally Posted by Bravescot
How about "That's like saying all U.S. Troops personally fought in Iraq/Kuwait because oil"
USA Lieutenant General
You'r right that is a bit too easy/lazy.
How about "That's like saying all U.S. Troops personally fought in Iraq/Kuwait because oil"
Last edited by Cube210; 04-23-2016 at 05:14 PM.
USA General of the Army
^ That is a far better statement then your previous one.
This is a warning to all of you. If anyone thinks it's okay to start drawing comparisons to the Nazis and what they did to the Jewish people this thread is coming down, that goes especially to the Americans because you're the worst at it.
CSA Captain
Why punish the rest of us using the thread for one person's actions? It seems like the perpetrator is the only one who should be disciplined.
Captain William Clark Falkner
2nd Mississippi
Company F
"I'll tell you what war is about, you've got to kill people, and when you've killed enough they stop fighting." - Curtis LeMay
"Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools." - Napoleon I
"Cowards die many times before their actual deaths." - Julius Caesar
USA Captain
He isn't punishing us, just warning us not to use that type of language in this forum so no issues arise from it.
CSA Captain
He suggested that he would punish everyone if it happened again, even those who were in no way involved.
Captain William Clark Falkner
2nd Mississippi
Company F
"I'll tell you what war is about, you've got to kill people, and when you've killed enough they stop fighting." - Curtis LeMay
"Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools." - Napoleon I
"Cowards die many times before their actual deaths." - Julius Caesar
USA Captain
Well, lets hope this community is mature enough to follow the rules.
CSA Captain
I guess that's all we can hope for.
Captain William Clark Falkner
2nd Mississippi
Company F
"I'll tell you what war is about, you've got to kill people, and when you've killed enough they stop fighting." - Curtis LeMay
"Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools." - Napoleon I
"Cowards die many times before their actual deaths." - Julius Caesar
USA General of the Army
Now then, if "everyone" here are done derailing this thread,let's get back to the topic at hand.
Against the claim of some that "slavery was the cause of the Civil War!", lets examine some slavery related information. Those that tout the above phrase are wont to point to the document known as the Emancipation Proclamation as proof.
What about that?
The Emancipation Proclamation was issued Officially by President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863, as the country entered the third year of the Civil War. It declared that "all persons held as slaves … shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free" — but it applied only to states designated as being in rebellion to the Union, and not to the slave holding Border states of DelaWare, Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri, or to areas of the Confederacy that had already come under Union control, nor, did it affect slavery as it existed in the North.
If the Civil War was caused by slavery, as is argued, as an institution in the U.S., why did it take Lincoln 3 years of bloody conflict to issue this declaration? One would think that if slavery were the prime issue, the sooner something like this document being produced, the sooner the conflict might possibly come to an end, thus saving more lives. But that doesn't seem to be the case. From the first days of the Civil War, slaves had acted to secure their own liberty by running away, and if they got caught, were to be returned, no questions asked.
When the American Civil War began, President Abraham Lincoln carefully framed the conflict as concerning the preservation of the Union rather than the abolition of slavery. Every recruitment poster you find declairs upholding the union, not the freeing of a people. Although he personally found the practice of slavery abhorrent, he knew that neither Northerners nor the residents of the Border slave states would support abolition as a War aim. Lincoln believed that slavery was “an unqualified evil to the negro, the white man, and the State,” said Lincoln in his first inaugural address, he had “no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with slavery in the States where it exists.” He reiterated this pledge in his first message to Congress on July 4, 1861, when the Civil War was three months old.
As a Republican, he wished to exclude it from the territories as the first step to putting the institution “in the course of ultimate extinction.” But as president of the United States, Lincoln was bound by the Constitution that protected slavery in any state where citizens wanted it. As commander in chief of the armed forces in the Civil War, Lincoln also worried about the support of the four Border slave states and the Northern Democrats. These groups probably would have turned against the War for the Union if the Republicans had made a move against slavery in 1861. In a letter to journalist Horace Greeley, published in the New York Tribune on August 22, 1862, the president reiterated that his “paramount object in the struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy slavery.”
Moreover, the War was going badly for the Union. After a string of military victories in the early months of 1862, Northern Armies suffered demoralizing reverses in July and August. The argument that Emancipation was a military necessity became increasingly persuasive. It would weaken the Confederacy and correspondingly strengthen the Union by siphoning off part of the Southern labor force and adding this manpower to the Northern side. With careful planning, Lincoln releasing this document at just the right moment in the War, ensured that it would have a positive impact on the Union efforts fighting the War. Slaves were the most conspicuous and valuable such property. They raised food and fiber for the Southern War effort, worked in munitions factories, and served as teamsters and laborers in the Army. It was a direct military attack in political guise, by Lincoln against the economy and livelyhood of the South, and its means of continuing the War, which the Northern people were becoming tired of fighting.
The Emancipation Proclamation however is not the Union's first attempt at this tactic. Prior to this, in August 1861, Congress passed the First Confiscation Act, authorizing the military confiscation of any property — including slaves — used in the rebellion against the U.S. Government. Later that month, Union major general John C. Fremont, commander of the Department of the West, issued an order declaring martial law in Missouri and freeing all slaves held by Missouri secessionists. But note that Fremont was working against the wishes of Lincoln as a letter dated September 11 that was published in Union newspapers, Lincoln ordered Fremont to change his order to conform to the First Confiscation Act, He being afraid that linking abolition with the War would cause the slave holding Border states to rebel. When it became clear that Fremont would not revoke or amend the order, Lincoln removed him from command and revoked the order himself. A second unauthorized Emancipation was issued on May 9, 1862, by Maj. Gen. David Hunter. This Proclamation not only declared to be free all slaves in areas of South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida, it authorized the arming of able - bodied blacks. Lincoln again issued a public statement revoking the order but urged the slave holding Border states to "adopt a gradual abolishment of slavery."
On July 17, 1862, Congress passed the Second Confiscation Act, which declared that slaves held by supporters of the Confederacy who crossed over Union lines were "forever free." Less than a week later, on July 22, 1862, Lincoln surprised his Cabinet by reading a draft Emancipation Proclamation, and asking for revisions and refinements to the document. Lincoln was still Wary of linking abolition to the War and driving the slave holding Border states to support the Confederacy, it became clear to him that popular sentiment in the North had begun to support abolition as one of the results of the War.
However, as long as the South was winning victories and foreign support overseas, Lincoln needed a decisive Union victory to lend credence to the Proclamation, and got the best he was going to get for some time, at the Battle of Antietam on September 17, which had ended Confederate general Robert E. Lee’s first Northern invasion. On September 22, 1862, Lincoln signed the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation, which informed both the Confederacy and the Union of his intent to free all persons held as slaves in the rebellious states. All of this said and done however, arguements were made that the Proclamation didn’t actually free any slaves or destroy the institution of slavery itself — it still only applied to states in active rebellion, not to the slave holding Border states or to rebel areas already under Union control. In reality, it simply freed Union Army officers from returning runaway slaves to their owners under the national Fugitive Slave Act of 1850. Also, any escaped slaves who managed to get behind the lines of the advancing Union Armies and any who lived in areas subsequently captured by those Armies no longer had to be returned because, in the words of the Proclamation, they were "thenceforeward, and forever free."
Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation primarily as a War measure. IT WAS NEVER a moral declaration against the inhumanity of persons being held and used as slaves and slave labor. Perhaps its most significant immediate effect was that it, for the first time, officially placed the U.S. Government against the "peculiar institution" of slavery, thereby placing a barrier between the South and its recognition by European nations that had outlawed slavery. The South had long counted on aid from England and France. Several articles within the Confederate States’ Constitution specifically protected slavery within the Confederacy, but some articles of the U.S. Constitution also protected slavery — the Emancipation Proclamation drew a clearer distinction between the two.
Meanwhile Lincoln and the Republican party recognized that the Emancipation Proclamation, as a War measure, might have no constitutional validity once the War was over. The legal framework of slavery would still exist in the former Confederate states as well as in the Union slave states that had been exempted from the Proclamation. So the party committed itself to a constitutional amendment to abolish slavery. The overwhelmingly Republican Senate passed the Thirteenth Amendment by more than the necessary two-thirds majority on April 8, 1864. But not until January 31, 1865, did enough Democrats in the House abstain or vote for the amendment to pass it by a bare two-thirds. By December 18, 1865, the requisite three-quarters of the states had ratified the Thirteenth Amendment, which ensured that forever after “neither slavery nor involuntary servitude … shall exist within the United States.” Ultimately as we now know, history being 20/20 hindsight, the eventual destruction of the Southern Government was the means by which slavery as an institution started its eventual downfall.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/fea..._Proclamation/
http://www.history.com/topics/americ...n-Proclamation
http://www.historynet.com/Emancipation-Proclamation
I cannot make my own thread because I hadn't considered what pledge to make to the game yet, or what to buy. I just got here. Is that why I can't make a thread? please confirm. Really Nice, its been a while , FPS or RTS good civil war game. I think you ARE ALL MAKING A GRAVE MISTAKE and MISCHARACTERIZATION here and in favor of the Union. Just plain bigotry! On the surface! Against the southern states, not just Confederacy.
Lets look right on the surface. The public image left today. at what the veterans afterwards left us of the war today, the highest signs and symbols, the Confederate battle-flag, for some reason not used here, uses a saltire or St. Andrew's cross. a RELIGIOUS symbol. OVERTLY religious symbol. The states of Alabama, Mississippi, florida, and probably others contain saltires. What is the significance of the Saltire? At this time, Europe or Christendom or the Civilized versus the barbarians, have a balance of Church and State, nevermind separation of Church and state , what is the BALANCE of church and state, consider how Popes come in to mettle in European kingdoms. Many of these flags from directly are from after the civil war. The Established Churches after the Protestant reformation, consider the slave trade was carried out more temporarily by Catholic countries by the policies of Popes almost directly. Churches direct in that age Law equally with the government within religion. The Planter Elite therefore, the farmhands and cowboys and less educated, even the slave, has regard for the established churches of England and Scotland, the established churches of Great Britain only. Anglicans and Presbyterians. See the Scotland flag, quoted in the racist "Birth of a Nation" the direct originator there to the Dixie flag. Standing for "an unconquered civilization", the film about barbarians over civility. The confederate money often had Roman goddesses, harking to the Roman , the civilized origin, the Anglican origin. As the catholic church allowed slavery, the localized protestant reformation churches had their own Peculiar Institution. As these local churches respected boundaries Southern Hospitality was born, where catholics kill off a slave, it was in fact kindly to quarter the outsider, not to marry outside the church or even across country origins, there are actual church laws against Presbyterian/Anglican marriages or guidelines in the host country, unique against catholic diplomatic marriages across Europe, influential in the American development.
So what the Men themselves as Veterans of that War leave us with their flags and memorabilia in the south is a War of Religion! The Churches decided slavery was legal of which they follow civilized Christendom from Europe, as opposed to Methodist,baptist other localized charismatic evangelists. the strict colleges and structures of the Old World. See both inaugural address of Abraham Lincoln highlighting that We All Serve the same God clearly on the Defensive against a sentiment about Religious war, not a man delivering sermons at all as some think. Does the US government overrule the legal precedent of the Church, capital high C. THE CSA constitution copies most everything adding Almighty God to various lines. At the original Dixie capitol in Alabama monument to the Civil War is apoem to the effect 'the knightliest of the knightly race by the lamps of old, singed chivalry in hearts of gold". now pardon my Quoted racism. serious. don't ban this. Notice laps of old, religion. chivalry. a highlight of the british protestant reformation. in hearts of gold. that's what the Dixie capitol monument on the civil war leaves us, without which , and the rest of this ,we're ignorant.
By the way, notice During the Civil War, Robert E. Lee is the prominent Anglican general, with a pedigree from George Washington. His trusted right hand, Presbyterian Thomas Stonewall Jackson of Scottish blood on father's side. German, irish, Russian, and many european immigrants were pouring into New York ports for decades already, influencing policy and army ranks, from OUTSIDE those church traditions, from Lutheran german, orthodox Russian, or catholic irish backgrounds, all of which hold no stake at That point in slavery. These forces align themselves with unaligned nondenominationals like Abraham Lincoln. Also, arising evangelists the last decades like Methodists, Baptists, Methodists praised the election of Abraham Lincoln as Christ's second coming in Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln who was never on the ballot in southern states, never a possibility allowed by the states to be voted for, withdrew also from the united states at the election. Shooting Abraham Lincoln talks of the old Catholic tyranny, the british tyranny, to Lincoln's tyranny down through the ages, handled just how catholic kings in England were constantly overthrown as free as we are, many precidents to that date allow and demand the overthrow of non-aligned kings religiously.
Sorry one more edit, interesting enough. Today both Anglicans and Presbyterians institutions have bits of whats called neo-catholocism today, differences in European churches were more extreme for a long time after the protestant reformation. Christmas was illegal in parts of early America. George Washington attacked the Hessian mercenaries since 'germans make a big deal of christmas'. American Thanksgivings replacing even Christmas in the catholic huge calendar. Abraham Lincoln proposed the current official thanksgiving to draw the country together during the civil war.
Last edited by KoreanPCA; 06-26-2017 at 03:24 AM.
We do use the CSA battle flag. It is very much featured in-game. Surely it makes better sense to use the national flag in our logo and on the website though. It was, after all, what the South thought of themselves; a new country. Reduce that to a battle flag used by some states would be a bigger mistanke and "mischaraterization" as you put it.
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