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    Also to add to the discussion of rifles I'm not sure if it's just me and goad but last night we were talking in game about the whitworth's sights. I've done a lot of searching of what the weapons looked liked and the firing pattern the weapon has. Due to one of my ancestors using one while fighting for the 16th MS in the Army of Northern Virginia. The sights in game are laughable to say the least if anything the Enfield 3 band sight that is modeled into the game has a closer representation to the sights used on this famous weapon. The weapon was a technological advancement for it's time to say the least in rifling. A man had the capability of hitting an artillery guns wheels at 500+ yrds to warn the crew of that gun to leave the area. Due to southern soldiers having a hard time of killing an unarmed man. With the current sights it's pretty much aim a little below what you wanna hit just so you can see the target the front sight takes up almost all of the rear sight. Anyways another concern is the target rifle the rifle that is sponsored at it's teir on donating is this strictly restricted to the union side or will there be a whitworth's variant with the scoped sight, and or is their any discussion to add this variant for diversity's purpose.

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    I can not believe myself but I must agree with Sir_Squiggles. The Whitworth sites are not a very good current representation.

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    For most general knowledge of this weapon I will direct you to this site. Also if you are interested in reading a good book on said ancestor and his accounts I will you direct you to my late uncle's book A Mississippi Rebel in the Army of Northern Virginia. Which I am putting my college studies towards a degree in said historical aspects of this bloody conflict.
    ://www.guns.com/2013/09/09/whitworth-rifle-fit-queens-confederates-video/ also if you want a link to the book for those in need of a good read https://www.amazon.com/Mississippi-R.../dp/0807127345
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravescot View Post
    I can not believe myself but I must agree with Sir_Squiggles. The Whitworth sites are not a very good current representation.
    Thank you bravescot I've said to myself before as well even you have good thoughts for this game too!

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    You are correct Squiggles... the vast majority had the Enfield sight. And the ballistics arent correct in game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goad View Post
    You are correct Squiggles... the vast majority had the Enfield sight. And the ballistics arent correct in game.
    Oh yes the ballistics for the weapon is far from what it could be but most of the weapons are not represented well ballistically speaking for their respected patterns. I do respect the devs choosing this though for making the game a bit more balanced. I would just like to see what I'm shooting at. So that I have a chance for the RNG pattern to be effective.

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    i have been saying this since i have been playing this game that these guns are no where near as accurate as they should be, i attritubite alot of this to the way the weapon sways when firing(which really doesnt happen that much in real life) to accurately under 20 yards and over 100
    under 20 yards the odds you should miss a man sided target is less than about 20% and with soldiers maybe under 5% in this game it is closer to 50% the swaying is just to much and some sights are not even close to guns as they were in real life
    over 100 i believe it is a rng where you hit or not just my finding playing the game
    i have never been in the military but for the last 30yrs or so i have been shooting 600m competitions i am not the best shot nor the worse yet this game leaves me scratching my head sometimes

    one major problem as i see it is we have no hit confirmations on anything except if we hit someone no registrations of shots hitting the dirt short or background when fired long left or right, a good rifleman knows when he missed and why here we have no idea why we missed and that is a major problem as i see
    the shots have no rhyme or reason for missing

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    i suggest that the drill camp targets be made the same as the rest of the game then maybe we can draw better conclusions as why and how we miss i know as a an active shooter i need to know where my misses go not my hits

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    I agree with Sal here, many of the good shooters already know if they shot high/low/left/right and compensate.
    (honestly when I paintball or airsoft I sometimes can follow the trajectory and notice where the impact is)

    The only 'true' way of getting 'soldiers' familiar with the shooting mechanics is to get a 'live' target in drill camp.
    The 'live' target can then tell if a soldier hit or missed (you start at close range off course).
    For the bullet drop and the swaying of the rifle (is this a way for showing fatigue and some simulation of wind ?) this is harder to accomplish.

    Different rifles/muskets/ammo will behave slightly different (as it should be)

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    Haven't read through every single reply, just throwing my thoughts out. The 1842 is fine the way it is and mixes things up by forcing different tactics, but I'm also fine with the CSA getting a different weapon for the Hooker's Push map where most of the shooting is long distance and they're at enough of a disadvantage as it is. And on the subject of gun sway, I'd strongly recommend a HUGE reduction in sway and a longer period before starting to dip while In Formation to help encourage players to actually utilize the system (sway being one of the biggest complaints that players tend to have). The only buff that I've really noticed having any real impact is the reduced loss in morale, which isn't a big incentive for me to line up into such an easy target. I keep seeing Union formations being torn to shreds while dealing very little damage themselves, partly due to bizarrely suicidal tactics by the officers but also because the best tactic for the CSA is to spread out and shoot the formation from all directions while the Union fires highly ineffective volleys thinking that they're playing the "right" way by using the new and very incomplete system.

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