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A. P. Hill
03-05-2016, 12:06 AM
The link that follows should take you to a spreadsheet that you can view that has been created for a couple of purposes.

These Orders list every regiment that was part of the Army of the Potomac that was involved in the Maryland Campaign. The listing then has companies A - K (except J) listed. In each cell where you see an "X" it indicates that the webpages on this site have been read and checked against the official rosters of the campaign.

I have notated in the original spreadsheet who created what company and the date of formation, so if there are more than one group claiming a company name, you members can PM me and I will let you know who to contact so you can work out arrangements.

There is also, if you scroll down far enough, links where these rosters were found and below that, a revision and revision date as more companies are formed and added to the charts. I will be updating as I see the changes. Also below these links, starts a second chart which lists all the companies that are formed for the Union forces that are not officially associated with the Orders of Battle for Antietam. This doesn't make you wrong.


ARMY OF THE POTOMAC ORDER OF BATTLE (https://www.dropbox.com/s/qdolz2fg825ar0r/Army%20of%20the%20Potomac.html?dl=0)

Maximus Decimus Meridius
03-05-2016, 02:30 AM
Really really great work. If you need some help for updating say it ;)

A. P. Hill
03-05-2016, 12:22 PM
Thank you Sir.

I do believe the hardest part is over now. :)

zerosius
03-07-2016, 04:18 PM
Really Nice Overview! Thank you very much :)

A. P. Hill
03-07-2016, 04:37 PM
Really Nice Overview! Thank you very much :)

Thank you. Part of the intent is for the community to use these overviews to their advantage. ;)

A. P. Hill
03-08-2016, 12:46 AM
Updated

A. P. Hill
03-12-2016, 04:29 PM
Updated Mar 12 2016

A. P. Hill
03-19-2016, 11:59 PM
Updated.

Cpt_Radical
03-21-2016, 04:40 PM
Apologies to ask as this may have a simple answer, but why are there 2 X's on my Company D (69th New York).
Hoping it is that there has been a mistake, but may also be that there are two that have been made?

A. P. Hill
03-21-2016, 05:41 PM
Apologies to ask as this may have a simple answer, but why are there 2 X's on my Company D (69th New York).
Hoping it is that there has been a mistake, but may also be that there are two that have been made?

It's no mistake, a member by the name John Meow formed a company D of the 69th NY on Nov 11 2015. Your company D, was formed on Feb 07 2016.

Pvt.Scott
03-21-2016, 07:11 PM
He changed the company to K

A. P. Hill
03-21-2016, 10:25 PM
As I said in the CSA postings, I used a 4" phone screen as my source and worked the spreadsheet on the computer monitor. It was quite the undertaking and there are many posts creating and disbanding and recreating again. It could be I got some information incorrect. These documents are living as they are subject to change and revision constantly as you folks cross examine them and make comment to me.

I'll pursue the information about company K and see if there's a conflict.

Thanks.

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Cpt_Radical
03-22-2016, 04:06 PM
Oh? I didn't see his Company on the List of Companies or anything, my mistake.

Cpt_Radical
03-22-2016, 04:17 PM
Hey Hill, thanks for getting back to me, I've just found the link to his Company D, http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?824-69th-New-York-Company-D&highlight=69th+York+Company.

As you can see he changed their Company Designation to K, could you please check that this is correct and that the Order of Battle displays such?

Cheers

A. P. Hill
03-22-2016, 10:23 PM
Updated 03-22-2016

A. P. Hill
03-25-2016, 03:34 PM
Updated 03/25/2016

Isaac
03-27-2016, 04:45 AM
Hello,I see there are two 11th PA there, is one of the two actually 11th MA?? Thanks

A. P. Hill
03-27-2016, 03:03 PM
Hello,I see there are two 11th PA there, is one of the two actually 11th MA?? Thanks

No Sir, no mistake, however I was able to refine the list and an update will be posted soon. The two 11th PA that are listed are actually, one is the 11th PA Volunteer Infantry, and the other is the 11th PA Reserves.

The 11th MA that you ask about, was part of the III Corps. The III Corps got decimated at Second Manassas and was in no shape to participate in the 1862 Maryland Campaign, and was retained in Washington Defenses to refit and install replacement troops.

Takerith
03-27-2016, 09:22 PM
Hello, I see that the 62nd NY is not included in your list. However, looking at the Union Order of Battle at Antietam, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antietam_Union_order_of_battle the 62nd NY was part of the IV Corps, 2nd Brigade. My American Civil War knowledge is fairly lacking, so is there a reason for this exclusion? Thanks :)

A. P. Hill
03-27-2016, 11:33 PM
Greetings Takerith, welcome and congrats on your first post, and a great question! 2583

First, I want to caution you about relying solely on wiki as a source. It's personal preference. In my compilation of the Order of Battle Overviews, I used two very different websites than wiki. The first is the National Park Service webpage for the Battle of Antietam, (https://www.nps.gov/anti/learn/historyculture/army-of-potomac.htm) and secondly, a rather informative private page called Antietam on the web. (http://antietam.aotw.org/oob.php) As you can see from the bibliography of the second site, the writer went to great lengths to compile his page, and well, the Park Service is just that ... the actual historical park which has undertaken extensive research as well.

Now lets address your question as to why I do not list this division on the chart.
You are correct that the 62nd NY was a part of the IV Corps. And in the capacity of this campaign and battle, only the 1st Division of the IV Corps was used by McClellan's Army. The balance of the IV Corps, the 2nd Division and the 3rd Division remained stationed on the lower peninsula after the peninsular campaign of 1862. Couch's command, the 1st Division, was attached to the VI Corps and under the direction of Franklin.

As such, McClellan sent a portion of his Army to the southwest to keep an eye on what was happening at Harpers Ferry, and to "box in" any confederate units preventing them from coming back on McClellan's rear. Part of the group of units that were assigned this task, were the division of the IV Corps in question.

It is interesting that the NPS site doesn't even mention the IV as part of the Order of Battle for Antietam, while the Antietam on the web site, while listing the IV Corps as part of the VI Corps, notates the unit with a large 'X' which takes us to a foot note on the page which reads: "Unit not present and/or engaged at Antietam on 17 September."

That said, there is also a very interesting marker at the Antietam battlefield, that tablet can be found here. (http://antietam.aotw.org/tablet.php?tablet_id=760)

My knowledge in the American Civil War is lacking as well. That said, I will confess something I discovered while researching your question.
Going back to the Antietam on the web page and examining their Order of Battle lists, I found that several units that I ended up listing in my Orders of Battle here, actually have an 'X' in front of them, and then comparing that with the NPS orders of battle, find that these units are listed by the NPS. It has needless to say caused a bit of a dilemma in my mind, especially knowing what the 'X' represents at the Antietam on the web site, and yet seeing the rosters listed on the NPS site.

The only satisfying conclusion I can come up with is that while the NPS site lists these units, except for the IV Corps, the NPS based their rosters on Units actually at the field whether they participated in the battle or not, whereas, the Antietam on the web site, listed all units that comprised both Armies yet chose to footnote the exceptions.

That said, please note, I will go back and revise my orders of battle to represent the latter conclusion. I will list all units from both armies as they were at the time, and not make an exception for those who partook of the actual fight or not.

Thank you Takerith for your question.

Powell.

A. P. Hill
03-28-2016, 12:15 AM
Updated March 27th 2016

Takerith
03-28-2016, 05:33 PM
Wow, thank you so much for the extremely long reply, as well as for putting this much effort into getting an answer for my question. It's good to see that the WoR devs are putting this much effort into making this game as historically accurate as possible.

Isaac
04-01-2016, 02:52 AM
No Sir, no mistake, however I was able to refine the list and an update will be posted soon. The two 11th PA that are listed are actually, one is the 11th PA Volunteer Infantry, and the other is the 11th PA Reserves.

The 11th MA that you ask about, was part of the III Corps. The III Corps got decimated at Second Manassas and was in no shape to participate in the 1862 Maryland Campaign, and was retained in Washington Defenses to refit and install replacement troops.

Ah I see thanks. The 11th PA Reserve became 40th PA later on I think... Hmmm...

A. P. Hill
04-03-2016, 05:04 PM
Updated April 03 2016!

Please see the link on the first page of this thread and verify that your unit(s) are listed.
If not, please PM me with any comments/questions/errors/corrections.

Thanks.

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Bravescot
04-03-2016, 07:47 PM
Ah I see thanks. The 11th PA Reserve became 40th PA later on I think... Hmmm...

Like the 13th PA Reserves become the 42nd PA later.

A. P. Hill
04-14-2016, 01:53 AM
Updated 04-13-16

A. P. Hill
05-24-2016, 02:59 AM
I sincerely apologize to the community for not updating these records per the formation of units. There have been some things in my life beyond my control that have got in the way, AND, I am doing a mess of research and revamping the layout of these charts to reflect actual regimental company composition.

Thanks for understanding.

A. P. Hill
06-04-2016, 08:10 PM
Updated! Please click the link on the first post of this thread.

There are some conflicts. Please check your units.

Thanks.

Powell

JaegerCoyote
06-04-2016, 08:56 PM
We are Brady's Sharpshooters, for reason, the guy who made our thread was told to do it that way.

michaelsmithern
08-17-2016, 12:00 AM
Oh i forgot to update you on the 1stMN, but A.P Hill if you would not mind taking away the "X" marks from the 1stMN Companies A, and D. and as for company B, it should only be one X since i reserved it with intent to give it to Johann, although he went and reserved the same company again. in short they are one in the same

A. P. Hill
08-17-2016, 01:53 AM
Rgr that. As soon as I have time for this I'll fix it.

Thanks.

Clickenhof
09-22-2016, 01:49 PM
Very well done sir. My only question would be "How do we join a Company in a specific regiment"

Bravescot
09-22-2016, 02:12 PM
Very well done sir. My only question would be "How do we join a Company in a specific regiment"

Via unit threads most of the time. If you take a look through the forums you'll find companies often gain recruits via applications on their threads. As I see you're an Oceania player and by the looks of it a Union supporter might I recommend taking a look at these lads: http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?2843-2nd-U-S-Infantry-Regiment-quot-Don-t-Touch-Me-quot-Co-C-OC-NA-EU

Clickenhof
09-22-2016, 05:48 PM
Why thank you sir for the reply, good look body of men and a fine Regt too boot.
I was looking more towards the men from the west with the black hats myself and also with the same number as the 2nd. Any ideas where one may find the 2nd Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry Regt ?

Lyman Trumbull
09-22-2016, 05:49 PM
Why thank you sir for the reply, good look body of men and a fine Regt too boot.
I was looking more towards the men from the west with the black hats myself and also with the same number as the 2nd. Any ideas where one may find the 2nd Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry Regt ?

Every single company that has been formed can be located here on the company list:
http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?2201-Company-List

Hope you find someplace you will enjoy!

Bravescot
09-22-2016, 05:53 PM
Why thank you sir for the reply, good look body of men and a fine Regt too boot.
I was looking more towards the men from the west with the black hats myself and also with the same number as the 2nd. Any ideas where one may find the 2nd Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry Regt ?

Wisconsin
Co. A, 2nd Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry Regiment (http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?1230-2nd-Wisconsin-Volunteer-Infantry-Regiment-Company-A&p=20845#post20845) - EU & NA
Co. B, 2nd Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry (http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?1233-2nd-Wisconsin-Volunteer-Infantry-Co-B) - NA
Co. K, 2nd Wisconsin (http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?1263-2nd-Wisconsin-Company-K) - NA
Co. G, 3rd Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry (http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?846-3rd-Wisconsin-Volunteer-Infantry-Company-G&p=14235#post14235) - EU
Co. A, 6th Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry Regiment (http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?1339-6th-Wisconsin-Volunteer-Infantry-Regiment-Company-A) - NA
Co. B, 6th Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry Regiment (http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?2029-6th-Wisconsin-Volunteer-Infantry-Regiment-Company-B) - NA
Co. K, 6th Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry (http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?1439-6th-Wisconsin-Vollunteer-Infantry-NA-Recruiting) - NA
Co. A, 7th Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry (http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?2301-Recruiting-for-Co-A-of-the-7th-Wisconsin-Volunteer-Infantry&p=38831#post38831)- NA
Co. B, 15th Wisconsin Volunteer infantry - "Brave Danes" (http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?1578-Join-the-15th-Wisconsin-Volunteer-Infantry-B-Company-quot-Brave-Danes-quot&p=27084#post27084) - EU

Here is a list of Wisconsin units looking for men you can have a look through. Taken from the Company List thread

Clickenhof
09-22-2016, 05:59 PM
Thank you again for the VERY quick reply. I can almost feel the regimental recruiting sergeant pulling me in.

A. P. Hill
10-05-2016, 01:29 AM
Finally a new update!

PM with changes.

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A. P. Hill
10-05-2016, 11:17 PM
Here's something different I think lots of you guys might find interesting and helpful in settling issues of multiple creators of the same units.
The following file in link form is an MHT format, but Dropbox doesn't allow for them to be viewed via it's settings ... you can however download it and hope your browser will display it. When doing this however, note that your browser will ask if you want to allow all content to be displayed, or something along those lines, there should be a dialog box on the bottom middle of your screen with an "Allow" button, or a red "X" to cancel the content.

Don't be afraid to cancel the content as all the information will come across as a linked chart ... as opposed to a mouse over highlight box.


Here's the Link to the Army of the Potomac above listed file. Enjoy. (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3kfemh4pzm8njhh/Army%20of%20the%20Potomac.mht?dl=0)

Please let me know if you can view this after download, I'd appreciate it.

UPDATED!

JohnACuster
05-28-2017, 10:07 PM
Bump... is this dead?

Stalin
06-08-2017, 11:25 AM
If it is not dead and if it is possible to upload this into a google doc instead and Hills could have more people to help him keep this kind of task, I would be willing to give a helping hand in afew weeks when i have more time on my hands

A. P. Hill
08-25-2017, 12:03 AM
Well it almost took forever BUT!

Let's see if this works.

Latest UPDATED ORDER of BATTLE for USA! (https://www.dropbox.com/s/b98o0eh89zq7dop/Army%20of%20the%20Potomac.mht?dl=0)

IMPORTANT, Dropbox will not allow the preview of this particular file extension, however, it will allow you to download the file to your computer, where your computer will tell you the download is complete. You can either save it or just go ahead and open it. PLEASE allow it some time to do this, once it opens, you will be prompted about needing permission to download content, allow that to happen.

As you view the OOB, you will see numbers in highlight over the companies that are per the pages here. Mousing over those highlighted numbers will provide you with the creator of the company and the date the creator formed his post.

Some of you have deleted and reformed, or moved to whatever, so please if you have created a company and see your name in an errant location please PM me for corrections.

Respectfully
Powell

A. P. Hill
05-27-2018, 07:08 PM
Been a while since I did any updating on this.

Something you should know as you examine this:

I used the company tool to acquire the number of members per unit, these numbers may have or may not have changed since I started this, so if the numbers appear incorrect I apologize for the differences between the time of creating the document and converting it for display here.


I was curious with the numbers of players and where they chose to associate themselves. I also hope that displaying this will give the community a sense of the enormity of players and historical units available.


I'm testing a new document sharing site, please let me know via PM whether you can view / download the document or not.


Thanks.


Enjoy!




CLICK HERE! (https://app.box.com/s/qmopd2xkx5ab519nuxie8sqaqzyfa4cp)

Dman979
05-27-2018, 11:33 PM
That looks good, A.P. Hill. The site works perfectly, and it's nice that I don't have to download in order to view it.

And thank you for all your work to update the list.

Best,
Dman979

A. P. Hill
05-28-2018, 12:12 AM
thanks for the viewing report!

No effort what so ever. :)

SilverStaples
06-05-2018, 07:43 AM
Impressive.

Ezra Baldwin
06-05-2018, 11:09 AM
Seems to work fine and is very impressive! Nice work, sir.

A. P. Hill
06-05-2018, 01:01 PM
Thanks Gentlemen, pleasure was all mine :)

John Cooley
06-05-2018, 06:51 PM
Very nice work, indeed.
Now if it could be added to the Company Tool and updated automatically that would be a great addition.

DavidFields
06-10-2018, 11:45 AM
Been a while since I did any updating on this.

Something you should know as you examine this:
I used the company tool to acquire the number of members per unit, these numbers may have or may not have changed since I started this, so if the numbers appear incorrect I apologize for the differences between the time of creating the document and converting it for display here.

I was curious with the numbers of players and where they chose to associate themselves. I also hope that displaying this will give the community a sense of the enormity of players and historical units available.

I'm testing a new document sharing site, please let me know via PM whether you can view / download the document or not.


Thanks.


Enjoy!




CLICK HERE! (https://app.box.com/s/qmopd2xkx5ab519nuxie8sqaqzyfa4cp)


Thank you sir, a very good job!

Treefrog
07-25-2018, 01:19 AM
Wow...I just stumbled onto this game by way of a couple guys in my reenacting unit. I looked over the order of battle spreadsheet. I don’t want to be that guy, and this in no way takes away from the amazing work done on that tool...but I was curious about the US Sharpshooters... they were te 1st and 2nd US Sharpstooers. Sharpshooters were a separate Branch from the Infantry so would not be considered US Regulars... which denotes Federal Standing Infantry Units. They were mentioned in reports of the time as US Sharpshooters, or USSS or just Sharpshooters. I point this out only because how they are labled in the spreadsheet may cause confusion.

Hinkel
07-25-2018, 09:18 AM
Wow...I just stumbled onto this game by way of a couple guys in my reenacting unit. I looked over the order of battle spreadsheet. I don’t want to be that guy, and this in no way takes away from the amazing work done on that tool...but I was curious about the US Sharpshooters... they were te 1st and 2nd US Sharpstooers. Sharpshooters were a separate Branch from the Infantry so would not be considered US Regulars... which denotes Federal Standing Infantry Units. They were mentioned in reports of the time as US Sharpshooters, or USSS or just Sharpshooters. I point this out only because how they are labled in the spreadsheet may cause confusion.

Hello and welcome :)

Have a look at the officially company tool on our homepage. There you find the Sharpshooters as a seperate branch.
Our company tool is more important for the game, although Hill did a good job with the spreadsheet.

There you see the already formed sharpshooter companies we have as well.

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Treefrog
07-25-2018, 04:28 PM
Oh thank you...good to be here. I have to upgrade my computer, but I’ll be getting in on this in the next couple months

A. P. Hill
07-25-2018, 11:05 PM
Wow...I just stumbled onto this game by way of a couple guys in my reenacting unit. I looked over the order of battle spreadsheet. I don’t want to be that guy, and this in no way takes away from the amazing work done on that tool...but I was curious about the US Sharpshooters... they were te 1st and 2nd US Sharpstooers. Sharpshooters were a separate Branch from the Infantry so would not be considered US Regulars... which denotes Federal Standing Infantry Units. They were mentioned in reports of the time as US Sharpshooters, or USSS or just Sharpshooters. I point this out only because how they are labled in the spreadsheet may cause confusion.


Not sure exactly what you're saying! You don't want to be me?!! Goodness! How sad. I'm a fun loving guy that enjoys making spreadsheets. :p

First, Your preference of naming convention is noted however, I did the naming that way solely to identify those "Regular" troops from "Volunteer" sharpshooter units, it in no way applies any other way, or detracts therefrom.

Secondly, If you're suggesting that it's where they're listed in the O.O.B. chart, please understand, My sources make the point, (http://antietam.aotw.org/officers.php?unit_id=149) or, your displeasure goes higher than me! :) (https://www.nps.gov/anti/learn/historyculture/org-cht-1-corps.htm)

Also of note many histories state that these units were assigned to operate with other units as you can see from the linked pages above. They performed more as skirmishers in many cases.


And as regards the company tool, should you decide to play these units and do so historically, you should consider your organization part of the brigade shown in the O.O.B.

Thanks.

Respectfully,
Powell

joshinel
03-01-2021, 12:09 AM
lol nice

joshinel
03-01-2021, 12:11 AM
Alright sounds good