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ANdrEW549
11-01-2015, 10:19 PM
From all the screenshots I've seen of confederates, there are only three types of jackets, and they are the same as federals but just different colors. They brag about a huge amount of variety, but only 3-4 different jacket patterns? The only jackets for I can see are: Shell jacket (with varying trim, piping and color), a federal pattern Sack-Coat which would be completely wrong for confederates, and finally a frock coat. I know that its in development, but hopefully they actually make the separation of Union and Confederate uniforms. Another thing that their Historical Adviser Clark Morningstar should have caught was the confederate ranks. The ranks are not period correct, they follow regulations in color and general shape, but are wrong and are closer to modern ranks than period. Almost ALL surviving uniforms and pictures show their ranks as being thin, black, and going from one side of the arm to the other. Regulations are a good reference point but this http://http://military-historians.org/company/journal/confederate/confederate-1.htm is a much more in-depth and accurate reference and account. One more thing, light blue trim for confederates was extremely rare, and were only ever followed in some western theater jackets. Almost all trim or piping would be black (like the ranks) since black was the color for militia and they would have followed that. This seems like a rant about how they are wrong, but I hope that when it releases they'll have accurate uniforms.

A. P. Hill
11-01-2015, 10:27 PM
Please explain to me, or us, why you think sack coat are wrong for confederates.

Thanks in advance for your answer.

TrustyJam
11-01-2015, 11:34 PM
Thank you for the input. We are aware of inconsistencies of the uniforms. Sadly, it's another one of those things that are very limited indeed at the moment due to us having no funding. We have one character artist connected to the project but he's extremely busy working as a freelancer on paid jobs. Character development & variation as well as animations are some of the visual areas that'll benefit from us getting funded on Kickstarter the most.

- Trusty

CjkCJkCjk
11-02-2015, 01:15 AM
From all the screenshots I've seen of confederates, there are only three types of jackets, and they are the same as federals but just different colors. They brag about a huge amount of variety, but only 3-4 different jacket patterns? The only jackets for I can see are: Shell jacket (with varying trim, piping and color), a federal pattern Sack-Coat which would be completely wrong for confederates, and finally a frock coat. I know that its in development, but hopefully they actually make the separation of Union and Confederate uniforms. Another thing that their Historical Adviser Clark Morningstar should have caught was the confederate ranks. The ranks are not period correct, they follow regulations in color and general shape, but are wrong and are closer to modern ranks than period. Almost ALL surviving uniforms and pictures show their ranks as being thin, black, and going from one side of the arm to the other. Regulations are a good reference point but this http://http://military-historians.org/company/journal/confederate/confederate-1.htm is a much more in-depth and accurate reference and account. One more thing, light blue trim for confederates was extremely rare, and were only ever followed in some western theater jackets. Almost all trim or piping would be black (like the ranks) since black was the color for militia and they would have followed that. This seems like a rant about how they are wrong, but I hope that when it releases they'll have accurate uniforms.

your other points are valid but there was a large variety on jackets, NC sack coat, richmond Depot jackets 1-3, Irish jackets, and more that i don't know off the top of my head.

A. P. Hill
11-02-2015, 02:08 AM
I sure hope this wasn't a drive by posting. I hope he comes back with solid evidence.

Volunteer
11-02-2015, 09:44 PM
To help raise KS funding could uniforms be sold separately? I'd really like the NYI tartan trues or a kilt!

TrustyJam
11-02-2015, 09:48 PM
To help raise KS funding could uniforms be sold separately? I'd really like the NYI tartan trues or a kilt!

No, the rewards are exclusive to the pledge tiers.

- Trusty

A. P. Hill
11-02-2015, 10:19 PM
To help raise KS funding could uniforms be sold separately? I'd really like the NYI tartan trues or a kilt!

I already got a kilt. Well in real life I do. ;)

Bravescot
11-03-2015, 12:06 AM
I already got a kilt. Well in real life I do. ;)

Do you go true or false when wearing it?

A. P. Hill
11-03-2015, 12:20 AM
I am a manly Scotsman. :) Clan Graham.

Bravescot
11-03-2015, 01:31 AM
I am a manly Scotsman. :) Clan Graham.

I was more addressing do you wear anything under your kilt lad! xD

I'm a Campbell of Cawdor

Hinkel
11-03-2015, 02:24 PM
Just a small addition to confederate sack coats :)

http://www.adolphusconfederateuniforms.com/uploads/2/8/2/6/2826199/253670_orig.jpg

http://www.adolphusconfederateuniforms.com/uploads/2/8/2/6/2826199/7173769.jpg?308

http://www.adolphusconfederateuniforms.com/uploads/2/8/2/6/2826199/8333284_orig.jpg

http://www.adolphusconfederateuniforms.com/uploads/2/8/2/6/2826199/9677244_orig.jpg

http://www.adolphusconfederateuniforms.com/uploads/2/8/2/6/2826199/9521155.jpg?512

A. P. Hill
11-03-2015, 03:18 PM
I was more addressing do you wear anything under your kilt lad! xD

I'm a Campbell of Cawdor

I know what you meant. Apparently you didn't know what I meant ;)


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And thanks Hinkel for those fine confederate examples of nonexistent confederate sack coats.

CjkCJkCjk
11-03-2015, 03:29 PM
1335
NC sack coat

Bravescot
11-03-2015, 07:20 PM
I know what you meant. Apparently you didn't know what I meant ;)

I got what you meant to late xD.

Volunteer
11-03-2015, 08:17 PM
No, the rewards are exclusive to the pledge tiers.

- Trusty

Okay, TJ, that's clear enough! :(

Plasma Rebel
11-03-2015, 09:16 PM
If you where doing a bushwhacker impression sack coats would be good for confederate but if you are doing regular confederates the sack coat would not be period because the CSA government did not buy much sack coats if you look at pictures you never see a soldier in a sack coat unless it is a federal sack coat or it would be a private purchase if they did have them

LT. Epps
11-05-2015, 02:42 AM
Sack coats are hardly a bushwhacker only garment, considering the were distributed through the depot system. Additionally the sack coat was a popular civilian style and thus would have been common commutation coats. There are examples of commutation payment requests being sent in by soldiers all the way through the war. Granted they would be less common during the Maryland Campaign than Richmond Depot shells, Peter tait coats and Frock coats, however they would have certainly been there.

I highly recommend you do some research before claiming what would and wouldn't be authentic. I highly recommend you check out this guys site http://adolphusconfederateuniforms.com/the-confederate-depot-sack-coat-an-overlooked-garment.html

PS.
Please please please don't add kilted 79th models, there is pretty much zero evidence that they ever wore them in combat. Trust me, I love kilts, I was born in Aberdeen and have spent a good chunk of my life in and around pipe bands, but they don't have a place on a civil war field uniform.

Hinkel
11-05-2015, 10:58 AM
PS.
Please please please don't add kilted 79th models, there is pretty much zero evidence that they ever wore them in combat. Trust me, I love kilts, I was born in Aberdeen and have spent a good chunk of my life in and around pipe bands, but they don't have a place on a civil war field uniform.

Tartan pants only.. ;)

Bravescot
11-05-2015, 11:01 AM
Tartan pants only.. ;)

Permission to be a cheeky so and so and request mine and A. P. Hill's clan tartan to be added!

Plasma Rebel
11-06-2015, 02:26 AM
In case you didnt know a bushwhacker is a civilan that wore his own clothes and was not part of the regural army and rarely recieved orders from the commanding generals the sack coat would be seen in a bushwhacker impression in the early war sure sack coats would be used as i said but they would not be common as i said sure units had them i fully believe that but they where not common on the confederate side

spe801
11-10-2015, 10:36 PM
Adolphus really knows what he's talking about when it comes to Confederate uniforms, especially with the armies of the west and the Trans-Miss. Many Confederates wore sack coats throughout the war in all theaters. The civilian sack coat was most popular with the armies of the western theaters. There are several people who wrote about how they preferred clothes sent from home instead of government issued clothing.

A. P. Hill
11-10-2015, 10:38 PM
I guess Andrew was just a drive by poster trying to stir the pot. Oh well.

Live and learn.

Wubby
11-14-2015, 02:59 AM
I'm sure now that he game has been funded with even some excess, more jackets will be created. This game still has plenty of phases to go through, and you must understand what you see here is nowhere near a finished project, there will definitely be more added in the long run. Good point to bring up though! Cheers and I sure hope there may be an Irish jacket sometime soon for a few Irish regiments!

Henronicus
11-14-2015, 03:18 AM
PS.
Please please please don't add kilted 79th models, there is pretty much zero evidence that they ever wore them in combat. Trust me, I love kilts, I was born in Aberdeen and have spent a good chunk of my life in and around pipe bands, but they don't have a place on a civil war field uniform.

They did wear them at 1st Manassass(with no underwear, according to witnesses) but were never again allowed to wear them.