1st Charleston Infantry - Company A - C

[Bravescot]

What you don't realize is that our regiment of the 1st Charleston is a REGIMENT not a company we have 4 total companies witch qualeifies us according to civil war standers as a regiment that has seen action. What most people don't realize is that a regiment is 1000 men but during the civil war they could get a regiment of exactly 1000 men so they were given detachments of cavalry and artillery to make a full regiment witch in the confederate states was very uncomon due to the amount of manpower the confederacy could field so the fact that we have 4 companies total isn't uncomon for the time. WoR takes place during the Maryland campaign at this point both sides have taken heavy casualties. At that point neither side has called up more men to join the war so all regiments at this point are battered and roughed up from being in the field. As a civil war reenactor I feel no one should be forced by the comunity to chose just 1 company if there NaS regiment has 4.

*Blah blah, most people know this blah blah*.

Go read the rule book and see that you need YOUR COMPANIES LISTED! You may NOT reserve a full regiment. If you want 4 of the 10 companies then list them and they will be added to the title.

[A. P. Hill]

What you don't realize is that our regiment of the 1st Charleston is a REGIMENT not a company we have 4 total companies witch qualeifies us according to civil war standers as a regiment that has seen action. What most people don't realize is that a regiment is 1000 men but during the civil war they could get a regiment of exactly 1000 men so they were given detachments of cavalry and artillery to make a full regiment witch in the confederate states was very uncomon due to the amount of manpower the confederacy could field so the fact that we have 4 companies total isn't uncomon for the time. WoR takes place during the Maryland campaign at this point both sides have taken heavy casualties. At that point neither side has called up more men to join the war so all regiments at this point are battered and roughed up from being in the field. As a civil war reenactor I feel no one should be forced by the comunity to chose just 1 company if there NaS regiment has 4.

I guess you are going to provide outside historical documentation to back this up.
In all of my 50 plus years of studying and reading about the ACW, I have yet to read anything that remotely suggests this took place.

That said, yes, there were in the later years of the war where the Union had the Confederates in siege works around Petersburg, that Grant, needing more men in the field, took the artillery units in the forts around D.C. and made them infantry yet retaining their designated battery identities. They were equipped with rifles, stripped of their cannons which remained in the fortifications around D.C.

And when horses became a premium in the south, the cavalry was converted to infantry. They did not have the horses that made them cavalry.

I am sorry but neither side combined arms of different branches of service to form singular units.

[Wrabbit]

Sorry none of us are from South Carolina as far i a am a were of.

[Tristanxh]

I guess you are going to provide outside historical documentation to back this up.
In all of my 50 plus years of studying and reading about the ACW, I have yet to read anything that remotely suggests this took place.

That said, yes, there were in the later years of the war where the Union had the Confederates in siege works around Petersburg, that Grant, needing more men in the field, took the artillery units in the forts around D.C. and made them infantry yet retaining their designated battery identities. They were equipped with rifles, stripped of their cannons which remained in the fortifications around D.C.

And when horses became a premium in the south, the cavalry was converted to infantry. They did not have the horses that made them cavalry.

I am sorry but neither side combined arms of different branches of service to form singular units.

This is early in the war unless I'm mistaken. During the early years of the war, at least eight combined arms units of the C.S.A. were officially recognized and fielded. The Confederate Congress had authorized the raising of at LEAST ten. So... Yea, I guess a couple years of internet research, some library scrounging, and minimum reenacting just ousted your 50+ years of experience?

*EDIT* Admittedly, I might have put some extra research into combined arms units of the Confederacy, being a Lieutenant here in the 1st Charleston Infantry. *END OF EDIT*

[Challis89]

Nice find but if you dig deeper none of them fought as a combined arm at Antietam intact many a quick Google works were split in different units and re numbered

From Wikipedia
The concept of a multiple-branch unit was fine in theory, but never was a practical application for Civil War armies and, early in the war, the individual elements were assigned to other organizations.

So hill is right to be fair with regards the Maryland Campaign this game portrays.

[Tristanxh]

Nice find but if you dig deeper none of them fought as a combined arm at Antietam intact many a quick Google works were split in different units and re numbered

From Wikipedia
The concept of a multiple-branch unit was fine in theory, but never was a practical application for Civil War armies and, early in the war, the individual elements were assigned to other organizations.

So hill is right to be fair with regards the Maryland Campaign this game portrays.

If anything, this backs the statement earlier made by Rin,

they couldn't get a regiment of exactly 1000 men so they were given detachments of cavalry and artillery to make a full regiment

They were split and sent as detachments to other regiments / battalions often. At Charleston Harbor, a detachment of cavalry from the 5th South Carolina Cavalry were assigned to the 1st Charleston, which is why Company C is currently called 'The Fighting Fifth,' which was the nickname of the 5th South Carolina Cavalry. Since they did attach a company of cavalry to the 1st Charleston Infantry Battalion, it proves that there were indeed cavalry and (I believe an artillery company was temporarily attached, although I may be mistaken) that there were combined arms attachments.

*EDIT* It had been Charleston Harbor, not Fort Sumter *END OF EDIT*

(Detachment of 5th SC Cavalry mentioned is under the Fourth Sub-Division "Inner Harbor" within Charleston which refers to the Charleston Battalion and attached units.)

[Tristanxh]

Welcome to the CSA and good luck against that lot in blue.



Agreed and also the use of non civil war ranks is another indicator of not reading up. I may have picked it up wrong but dose the company tool only use set ranks?

Well, I had been previously unaware that Colonel Wrabbit was going to post our roster this early or I would have gone over it with him previously (I'm General's Staff in the DA, so I do such often.), but basically, he posted our roster from the DA without any modifications to the list, and the ranks in the DA are... off a bit. So our roster came out like this, and it will all be corrected soon.

(DA is the Dixieland Army in the Mount & Blade: Warband Napoleonic Wars' North & South II Mod for those of you who don't know.)

*EDIT*
Admittedly...

Now that you have chosen your name, you are going to need to...

• Make a Forum Thread
• Establish the Ranks
• Establish a means of Communications
• Make a Steam Group/Website

'Establish the Ranks' could be considered a source of confusion as it could mean that the regiments establish who has which ranks, however, it could also mean that they establish what the ranks are. I believe that unless it is better clarified, there is no actual violation by having historically inaccurate ranks.
*END OF EDIT*

[Bravescot]

Well, I had been previously unaware that Colonel Wrabbit was going to post our roster this early or I would have gone over it *EDIT*
Admittedly...


'Establish the Ranks' could be considered a source of confusion as it could mean that the regiments establish who has which ranks, however, it could also mean that they establish what the ranks are. I believe that unless it is better clarified, there is no actual violation by having historically inaccurate ranks.
*END OF EDIT*

Setting up a chain of command

Establishing a set of ranks will bring structure to your regiment. It will create the chain of command, and keep your regiment from falling apart if you die in a battle. Historical accurate ranks for the American Civil war are easy to find online and many of you will obviously want to follow the correct rank structure. That does not stop you though from choosing your own rank structure.

List of ranks:
http://uniforminsignia.org/index.php...&search_id=top
*Note in a Company the highest CO is a Captain and the highest NCO is a First Sergeant*

Which I then go on to explain.

Please do not quote me as fact in the future. That thread has been created as a simple guide that does not need to be followed word for word. It is perfectly optional if one wishes to follow its suggestions.

[JaegerCoyote]

If anything, this backs the statement earlier made by Rin,



They were split and sent as detachments to other regiments / battalions often. At Charleston Harbor, a detachment of cavalry from the 5th South Carolina Cavalry were assigned to the 1st Charleston, which is why Company C is currently called 'The Fighting Fifth,' which was the nickname of the 5th South Carolina Cavalry. Since they did attach a company of cavalry to the 1st Charleston Infantry Battalion, it proves that there were indeed cavalry and (I believe an artillery company was temporarily attached, although I may be mistaken) that there were combined arms attachments.

*EDIT* It had been Charleston Harbor, not Fort Sumter *END OF EDIT*

(Detachment of 5th SC Cavalry mentioned is under the Fourth Sub-Division "Inner Harbor" within Charleston which refers to the Charleston Battalion and attached units.)

That meant there was a detachment of the 5th in the 4th Subdivision stationed in the city, they were NOT attached to the 1st Charleston, which was a infantry battalion.

[Rin]

I wish to thank Bravescott for giving us a link to the ranks I'm sure as a Capt. a in the 1st Charleston our ranks will be updated shortly due to your help in providing a link to ranks.