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    The new drill motions.

    Love the fact that you added more drill motions to the game.

    But:
    Iam pretty sure the way "parade rest" is done is an reenactorism.

    There are two version in the books and both appear to have been used.
    The first is found in the part about how to relive a Sentinel. And it is not for use when at parade... but you can find photographs where it is uses anyway.

    Parade rest from Hardee's revised and US infantry 1861- rifle manual of arms. (and casey for that matter)
    Parade —REST.
    At the command, rest, turn the piece on
    the heel of the butt, the barrel to the left, the
    muzzle in front of the centre of the body ;
    seize it at the same time with the left hand just
    above, and with the right at the upper band ;
    carry the right foot six inches to the rear, the
    left knee slightly bent.


    US infantry tactics 1861 musket manual of arms.
    PARADE— REST!
    At the last word of this command, the soldier will carry the right
    foot six inches in rear of the left heel, the left knee slightly bent, the body
    upright upon the right leg; the musket resting against the hollow of the
    right shoulder, the hands crossed in front, the backs of
    them outward, and the left hand uppermost.
    At the word, ATTENTION!, the soldier will
    resume the correct position at ordered arms. In the
    positions here indicated, the soldier will remain silent
    and motionless ; and it is particularly enjoined upon
    all officers to cause the commands above given, on
    the part of the soldier, to be executed with great
    briskness and spirit.

    US and CSA army regulation are identical:
    When looking up what the regulations say about parades you get this.

    "PARADE-REST!" At the last word of this command, the
    soldier will carry the right foot six inches in rear of the left heel, the left knee slightly bent,
    the body upright upon the right leg; the musket resting against the hollow of the right
    shoulder, the hands crossed in front, the backs of them outward, and the left hand uppermost.
    At the word "ATTENTION!" the soldier will resume the correct position at ordered arms. In
    the positions here indicated, the soldier will remain silent and motionless; and it is
    particularly enjoined upon all officers to cause the commands above given, on the part of
    tale soldier, to be executed with great briskness and spirit.
    Officers on all duties under arms are to have their swords drawn, without waiting for any
    words of command for that purpose.
    Revised United States Army Regulations of 1861, with an Appendix Containing the Changed
    and Laws Affecting Army Regulations and Articles of War to June 25, 1863 (Washington,
    U.S. Gov't Printing Office), para's 335-36; "Regulations for the Armies of the Confederate
    States", (Richmond, War Department, 1863), para's 322-23 (Emphasis added).



    In place rest
    In place rest is not wrong, but there are just very few requirements so almost everything goes.
    According to the U.S. Tactics:
    37. The instructor, wishing to rest the men, without deranging the alignment, will first-cause
    arms to be supported, or ordered, and then command: In place-REST.
    38. At this command, the men will no longer be constrained to preserve silence or steadiness
    of position; but they will always keep one or other heel on the alignment.
    U.S. Infantry Tactics 1861 (School of the Company), pg. 96.
    According to Hardee's Revised Tactics:
    If the instructor wishes merely to relieve the attention of the recruit, he commands, in place-
    REST; the soldier is then not required to preserve his immobility, but he always keeps one of
    his feet in its place.
    Rifle and Infantry Tactics, Revised and Improved by Brig. Gen. W.J. Hardee, C.S. Army
    (1862), (School of the Soldier), para. 73.


    Only rule - one foot on line... so in the perfect world you should add different ways of standing, animation of taking a drink or finding something to eat and similar... But I know this is not a priority.

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    much of this is just my language and large parts are copy+pasted from an article by Mark (Silas) Tackitt found here:
    http://44tennessee.tripod.com/rest.html
    (or copy+pasted from the relevant booklet version of the drill books.... booklets also compiled by him)
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    Thank you for this !!!!

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    Please offer up images instead of long texts only. Makes it much quicker and easier for us to compare.

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    It was late... should have added some before posting.


    Parade rest from the regulations about parades. or "against the shoulder method"
    This is similar to how you do it without arms.
    Drawing from baxters drill book (1861). same language as regulations.(no drawing in regulations)
    rest-baxter.jpg

    Here is a photographer of men from the 2nd Wisconsin V.I. Company C, likely taken in May or early June 1862 at Fredericksburg
    booth.jpg


    Parade rest as descried in Hardee's revised and US tactics 1861 for for use when reliving sentinels. or across the body" method
    (Hardee and US tactics 1861 don't have a drawing.)

    Uptons 1866 book, yes after the war, but the text is similar.
    rest-upton.jpg

    The "classic" picture of US colored troops:
    4th_United_States_Colored_Infantry.jpg



    The issue is naturally that we got two versions that was clearly used.

    The against the shoulder method as descried in the regulation, looks to be mostly used during the early war. And the simple fact that the across the body method can be found at the end of schools of the company in the main drill books makes it more likely that the civilians turned officers have used this. Instead of something found somewhere in the middle of the army regulations.

    Upton in his post war book remove it and make the other version the only one do point in this direction.


    As Mark (Silas) Tackitt write in his article:
    A caveat: Although the against-the-shoulder method is taken directly from the regulations, photos of soldiers standing in this manner are rare. The against-the-shoulder method is seen more frequently in early war photos than late war photos. Some argue the shoulder method was a holdover from the smoothbore days which was also practiced by companies using the two band rifle with the sword bayonet. The bulk of wartime photos picture individual soldiers or entire units standing in the typical, musket-across-the-body method. The across-the-body method is frequently seen with companies using the rifle musket. So, what is proper? Depends upon the manual, small arm, theater, and year portrayed by the reenacting unit.

    I would suggest adding the "across the body methode" for use with the manual of arms for rifles. The one in the game atm.
    And the "against the shoulder method" for use with units using the manual of arms for muskets. If/when it gets added at some point.

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    In place rest.
    Here it is natually not possible to show how its done since the only rule was the bold part.
    "At this command, the men will no longer be constrained to preserve silence or steadiness
    of position; but they will always keep one or other heel on the alignment."
    Last edited by thomas aagaard; 10-23-2016 at 04:05 PM.
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    Please add in present arms
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    This should be in the alpha section! moving

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    i think the ones in game are fine tbh

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    Perhaps laying down? I say this with artillery in mind.
    http://i.imgur.com/STUHVb8.png

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    I do agree with what I've seen here. Love the new "emotes!" It would be awesome to add a present arms, as this would be the way to salute an officer or another company while formed as a company. The current salute would be directed by an individual to a superior officer, which I also like.

    caseypresentarms.jpg
    "Present Arms"

    Are there any plans to add Support Arms (a very common arm to relieve the right arm). Also, I believe Secure Arms would be a very nice arm to add in correlation to piece fouling, as secure arms is used to prevent rain from getting down the barrel, while protecting the lock.

    caseysupportarms.jpg
    "Support Arms"

    caseysecurearms.jpg
    "Secure Arms"


    One last question: While there be a Guard Against Cavalry (which is just higher than the current Guard against Infantry) position for the bayonet to defend from cavalry in game?

    caseyguardcavalry.jpg
    "Guard Against Cavalry"
    To the Colors!

    Captain Lance Rawlings
    Company K, 38th North Carolina, Pender's Brigade, A.P. Hill's Division, Jackson's Corps, Army of Northern Virginia
    http://www.warofrightsforum.com/show...lina-Boys-quot


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