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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bell Hood View Post
    Okay, I'll amend some of my comments...being pro gay marriage and easy divorce isn't anti-family. It's anti-morality. Morality is principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior. Gay marriage erodes the Christian culture that America was founded on and is a bad example for our children. How do you know Gay couples make good parents and it's not propaganda? When you say you don't see socialism and communism as equal I'll quote Vladimir Lenin "The goal of Socialism is Communism" and when you state socialism leads to better life I say look to Venezuela, Cuba, etc. and people...
    I'm not going to get further into this argument for both of our sakes, but I will rebuke the idea that socialism and communism are the same thing. Socialism is a broad term that can cover many different belief systems, but at its core it essentially demands that the inequality in wealth between the richest and poorest should be bridged, to some degree.

    This is essentially what Jesus Christ taught, to love thy neighbour and provide aid to the less fortunate. This can be seen in Luke 3:11 : John answered, "Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.". It's quite clear that Jesus (or rather, Jesus's apostle, who taught the word of Jesus) would rather some of your extra wealth be given to someone who has none, which is what socialism wants at its core.

    So why is it that you insist on following a Christian culture in terms of repressing the lifestyle of others while ignoring the same culture when it demands that you sacrifice personal wealth?
    (This question is also extended to Erwin, since he started the whole debate in relation to taxes )

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    Cool A Religious Opinon and my answer to Socialism

    Whoever, said to not discuss Religion or politics was wise because opinions vary so much. This whole political/morality discussion started because I had the gall to state "I respect President Trump for doing his Job...unpaid...and donating his check to Antietam and dealing with fake news". Then, FrancisM Said "Good Trolling" and "Can we just assume John Bell Hood is trolling and ignore him?" then "I wasn't kidding. I cannot honestly believe this man is being serious. Either's he's trolling, or he's nine years old, or his IQ is that of a cucumber". A serious reply is a waste of time in any of those cases. Sardo accused me of "Fake News". Dingle stated "Be careful there, you've taken so many red pills, you just might overdose".

    In response to those comments I'll say it takes a troll to know a troll and I consider it a compliment to call me a red pill popping, low IQ cucumber as I am at least a higher life form to those trolls. How many of them would do their job's for FREE and at great personal cost(financial, time etc.) to themselves like President Trump?

    At the risk of offending some and getting trolled...I believe it is better to teach someone to fish so they can provide for themselves instead of giving them fish (welfare, healthcare etc.as stated in the bible. I believe giving should be done only if you want too and not by "guilting" people too or theft by taxes. As, All Laws are someone else's opinion backed by a gun/penalties of the establishment in power. Personally, I believe in an internal peaceful still God and not an external angry god. I believe in God but not organized religion. I believe in reincarnation and that we live many lifetimes so life is a school and we learn the most from our "bad" experiences and challenges(though life). I don't believe in interfering with the karma of other people by providing any assistance to them via socialism, communism etc. When I look at their life thru the view of one life I might take pity on them and say it's rough but then I remember that they knew what their lives would be like before they incarnated on Earth and by helping them I would be hurting them in the long run of many lives. This for me is true for me and what's true for you is no less true and right.

    On a side note I know I was a confederate Civil War soldier with vague memories of North Carolina as I can deeply remember the wilderness and the trees. I wonder if any of the other forum members are fascinated by the Civil War because they where in it during a past life?
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    I never accused you of being "fake news". I pointed out your hypocrisy of calling out "fake news" while at the same time stating an "I don't care about it" attitude on other peoples' opinions.

    I don't see how your analogy of "teaching someone to fish rather than giving them fish" works with any of this. You can't exactly teach someone to be covered in case his leg breaks, can you?

    So you basically say that if something happens to someone, it's their own fault? Because of karma? Really?
    Secularisation, Praise be.

    You do realise that your whole construct falls apart pretty quickly, yes?
    Let's assume for a second I was believing in this whole "reincarnation" thing:

    I don't remember a past life, like the vast majority of humanity. So how is it still my fault if something happens because I didn't learn?
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    Sorry, if I misinterpreted the "Fake News" point. Thank you for clarifying your point. Your not a troll then. My, "I don't care about it" attitude on other peoples' opinions is how I feel as what's right, true and just for them is true for them and what's right, true and just for me is correct and right for me.

    The "teaching someone to fish rather than giving them fish" is my anti-socialism, anti-communism, anti-welfare argument as a whole and not on a case by case basis. I do feel sorry for the person who broke his leg and will donate to them if I choose to but that person reviewed their life and knew they'd break their leg and that broken leg is to teach them a life lesson...maybe they avoided something worse or learned to just be more careful.

    I am saying if something happens to someone, it's because of karma. That something happened to teach that person something in this lifetime or the next. And, It's only YOUR judgment that makes that something a "Good event " or a "Bad event".

    I think you are misinterpreting karma as equating to fault. Your life experiences both "good" and "bad" help one progress or regress on the path to becoming Christ like. Their are many who have progressed like Buddha, Allah, Krishna and countless others who have made it and we can too eventually.

    The Key Point Of my argument in case you missed it is that when you view someone's life event in the context of your or "One" lifetime it can appear "bad" but you need to realize people live multiple lifetimes and that they need to learn their own life lessons on their own and without your "help" or it takes longer or it could make their life "worse" with your "help". The "help" could even force them to live another lifetime or even multiple lifetimes. Example, I'm saying that even if you knew quicker street to take that you shouldn't tell them. "Bad" events happened for a reason beyond your comprehension , that person reviewed their whole life before they where born and knew it would occur and still chose to be born to learn that reason, and that it's just your judgment that makes that event "Good" or "Bad". Life is a school. Your purpose is to become "Christ like" and many others throughout history have done so.

    Ps.I remember my past life in the Civil War through a vision of North Carolina, North Carolina trees and myself in a grey uniform. Also, my dreams and interests.
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    Enough reincarnation talk, thanks. Back on-topic please or I shall have to lock the thread.

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    No-one called you a low-IQ troll for agreeing with Trump's decision, they called you a low-IQ troll for being a living caricature of the alt-right. There are others who have posted in support of Trump too, but none of them have been subject to the same accusation.

    Back to the very original topic, I don't see any reason to see Trump's decision as being any way sacrificial. The man is a millionaire, his Presidential salary is a drop in the bucket for him.

    It's easy for Trump to go without pay when he's already made more than enough money for him and his extended family to retire, and it's easy to take the time to do his job when he goes golfing every week.

    Like has been said already, he cut funding for national parks massively, so donating a quarterly salary is like knocking down someone's house and giving them back the door. This doesn't show a genuine care for the battlefield, it's just a publicity stunt that doesn't have any real impact in the long run.

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    Wow, Thanks for calling me a "living caricature of the alt-right" as I consider that a compliment. At least it's better than being a "libtard". There is something wrong when the number of people who work in the government is: Federal, state, or local government employs 17% of U.S. workers nationally. WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Seventeen percent of U.S. workers say they work for federal, state, or local government, ranging from 38% in Washington, D.C., to 12% in Ohio. Also, 21.3% or 52.2 million people in the united states participate in government assistance programs. Which is wrong because as I stated the worst experience is your best teacher. Ghosts prove my "rein*******n" point I believe just watch "Ghost Hunters" or one of the other Ghost TV shows.

    I believe he cut funding because the united states no longer owns the parks. In 1972, our government signed the United Nations' World Heritage Treaty, a treaty that creates "World Heritage Sites" and Biosphere Reserves."Selected for their cultural, historical or natural significance, national governments are obligated to protect these landmarks under U.N. mandate. Since 1972, 68 percent of all U.S. national parks, monuments and preserves have been designated as World Heritage Sites. Twenty important symbols of national pride, along with 51 million acres of our wilderness, are World Heritage Sites or Biosphere Reserves now falling under the control of the U.N. This includes the Statue of Liberty, Philadelphia's Independence Hall, Thomas Jefferson's home at Monticello, the Washington Monument, the Brooklyn Bridge, Yellowstone National Park, Yosemite, the Florida Everglades and the Grand Canyon. As a consequence, across the U.S.A. Our parks and wilderness areas are slowly being closed to the public. Roads inside the parks are being grazed over. Mountain passes and hiking paths are being blockaded. "No fishing," "No hunting," "No trespassing" signs are being erected everywhere on public lands.

    It might be easy for trump to donate his check but he didn't have too. He cut the park funding to save money for other "social" programs or because of sovereignty issues over control of our park lands. This will be my last post on the issue as the thought/opinion police(aka moderators) are trying to silence me and my free speech. Maybe you all can examine your biases and at least consider a few of the points I made in my arguments. We can agree to disagree at least. I'd like to think I understand your point's of view at least...

    Ps. You could get one of those past lives readings if in doubt....okay I couldn't help myself

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    It's the beginning of the end for Trump. Mueller is going to tear their admin to shreds when the time comes.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/u...l-clinton.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoyo8346 View Post
    It's the beginning of the end for Trump. Mueller is going to tear their admin to shreds when the time comes.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/u...l-clinton.html
    Let's not get hasty here. As much as I think Trump is wrong for the country, I do not want to see him impeached and convicted for purely political motivations; there has to be some wrongdoing, too. Conviction without wrongdoing sets a very, very bad precedent for the country, along the lines of when Johnson or Clinton was impeached. I have no wish to see that furthered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bell Hood View Post
    As a consequence, across the U.S.A. Our parks and wilderness areas are slowly being closed to the public. Roads inside the parks are being grazed over. Mountain passes and hiking paths are being blockaded. "No fishing," "No hunting," "No trespassing" signs are being erected everywhere on public lands.
    There's a very simple reason for that, as any Boy or Girl Scout will tell you. Continued, long-term usage of the same trails will lead to erosion and permanently harm the environment around the trail. As such, trails are closed and new ones are opened, both to show different areas of the park and to allow old trails to recover.

    I do fail to see how this simple conservation matter is related to your other points, though.

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