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    Quote Originally Posted by Poorlaggedman View Post
    Because Trusty said to keep the suggestions going? It's in the quote you just grabbed. Attachment 11025

    Honestly I thought polar opposite opinions were being put forward but that's just me.
    Its the same two suggestions though; one for officer voting and one for no voting... Nothing new just perpetuating

  2. #52
    Hopefully the great "how officers are selected" debate is more nuanced than vote/don't vote. A Company server open to the public that advertised giving priority to company members for officer/NCO spots is a great recruitment tool for companies. Pub players and company staff get a feel for how they work together without having to sign up to find out.

    Some sort of system that uses reputation or minimum time in game as qualifiers, or even a sort of inverted out of bounds thing that autokicks, triggers a confidence vote or prevents respawning as officers a player who won't "talk" or issue orders is worth considering.

    Leadership could be linked to other in game actions that might need nudging. Get killed out of line a few times and lose your voting privileges or ability to hold a command slot until you serve as flag bearer for awhile.

    I see threads on player base concerns and look at other games that use achievements to try and keep up interest. Why not experiment with something like that while WoR is in alpha or beta? Link it to leadership or voting eligibility. Instead of a simple first come first serve officer selection, players could enter as candidates and the game then selects the guy with the most points for achievements like "Go ten games without getting killed out of line" or "Picked up the flag fifty times" when the game starts up or the leader respawns.

    WoR is innovative, and I'd think an innovative leadership selections system would be a good fit, especially if it encouraged the sort of team play that makes WoR "pop."

    Even if you believe that closed environment clan discipline is the cure-all for leadership and team play issues, providing mechanics and systems that gives current and incoming non clan customers an initial public game that has a reputation for having mostly competent leaders within an environment where "good" team based, non Rambo play is rewarded even when, and maybe especially when, the other side is kicking the stuffing out of you will go a long way to keeping WoR going over the long haul.

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    Would be great to hear some substantial input from CG about this.

    It’s now coming up to 6 months since release so is there plan to leave Officer the way it is in public games or to have a quality control mechanism over who can spawn as Officer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaker View Post
    ...It’s now coming up to 6 months since release ...
    The game is still in alpha development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A. P. Hill View Post
    The game is still in alpha development.
    See the original post. I am obviously talking about Steam release. They’ve had nearly 6 months since it went public and ample feedback on how the Officer in public games needs some sort of quality control mechanism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaker View Post
    See the original post. I am obviously talking about Steam release. They’ve had nearly 6 months since it went public and ample feedback on how the Officer in public games needs some sort of quality control mechanism.
    But still its an Alpha and development is still in (heavy) progress. So, consider the "officer issue" one piece of 100.000 pieces puzzle. So, as stated dozens of times in the 6 years i am following WoR now: Patience is key.

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    Hey there Quaker,
    Soulfly mentions a key item, the mechanics of the officer class is but one component of hundreds that are all priorities for us of one sort or another, each of which in the programming side of things has a tendency to create bugs and crashes. Given our small team, our programmers only have the ability to focus on one or two pieces of the puzzle, which can be a long and laborious process, which either time or more money to hire more programmers can fix. That means that while we are waiting on those systems currently being developed to be finished, we make use of what we have now to add in other parts of the puzzle, such as new regiments and even new maps or areas! We are able to do that with those that aren't programmers, so we do appreciate everyone's patience when all we have is what has been termed "cosmetic changes only." It does not mean we are not focusing on the correct part of the puzzle, merely that the other members are working on their own parts in tandem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeCrecy View Post
    Hey there Quaker,
    Soulfly mentions a key item, the mechanics of the officer class is but one component of hundreds that are all priorities for us of one sort or another, each of which in the programming side of things has a tendency to create bugs and crashes. Given our small team, our programmers only have the ability to focus on one or two pieces of the puzzle, which can be a long and laborious process, which either time or more money to hire more programmers can fix. That means that while we are waiting on those systems currently being developed to be finished, we make use of what we have now to add in other parts of the puzzle, such as new regiments and even new maps or areas! We are able to do that with those that aren't programmers, so we do appreciate everyone's patience when all we have is what has been termed "cosmetic changes only." It does not mean we are not focusing on the correct part of the puzzle, merely that the other members are working on their own parts in tandem.
    Hi George and thanks for the reply.

    I am not asking for an immediate fix for this issue.

    I am asking what CG’s stance on it is. As far as I know it’s still up in the air. Do they think anyone spawning as Officer is fine as it is or is the plan to change it? They must have some inkling after 6 months of public play and all the feedback on this issue.

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    The lack of transparency is always befuddling to me but not unique to WoR. The lack of vigor among the community for pushing features I find pretty weird and that's why I've always said there's this real danger of WoR being scene as a platform for digital because that's about what most gamers seem to be able to imagine asking for features but little in the background to make those features come together. The lack of engagement in these Suggestion Forums (beyond the monthly kill-count requests) is probably not helped by the lack of transparency. I'm pretty sure there's only one entity in the universe that can decree something and have it form according to plan the first time and that's not any game developer anywhere. Not to bash picket patrol too much, 'cause more is better, but a lot of people could have raised a lot of questions about that a lot earlier if they had known it was coming down the pipe. Getting a good community grilling on coming features, like the artillery, would probably save time and effort.

    Instead we're just sort of shouting into the darkness and waiting to see what'll be served up. Knowing there's presently no plans to make the officer or NCO roles meaningful is disconcerting to say the least considering the immense effect it has daily on gameplay experiences. The level of discipline and patience required of players to go into a game with a tiny fraction of the killing power available in other games, to obey self-appointed random officers for the sake of going-along-to-get-along, to pursue a frail existence as a formation for a minute or two tops, generally confined to strict cover... it's just too much to ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poorlaggedman View Post
    The lack of transparency is always befuddling to me but not unique to WoR. The lack of vigor among the community for pushing features I find pretty weird and that's why I've always said there's this real danger of WoR being scene as a platform for digital because that's about what most gamers seem to be able to imagine asking for features but little in the background to make those features come together. The lack of engagement in these Suggestion Forums (beyond the monthly kill-count requests) is probably not helped by the lack of transparency. I'm pretty sure there's only one entity in the universe that can decree something and have it form according to plan the first time and that's not any game developer anywhere. Not to bash picket patrol too much, 'cause more is better, but a lot of people could have raised a lot of questions about that a lot earlier if they had known it was coming down the pipe. Getting a good community grilling on coming features, like the artillery, would probably save time and effort.

    Instead we're just sort of shouting into the darkness and waiting to see what'll be served up. Knowing there's presently no plans to make the officer or NCO roles meaningful is disconcerting to say the least considering the immense effect it has daily on gameplay experiences. The level of discipline and patience required of players to go into a game with a tiny fraction of the killing power available in other games, to obey self-appointed random officers for the sake of going-along-to-get-along, to pursue a frail existence as a formation for a minute or two tops, generally confined to strict cover... it's just too much to ask.
    Thanks for the feedback.

    The Picket Patrol mode was created based off of community feedback - asking for a more open ended game mode with no set capture areas.

    The NCO was recently given the feature of displaying an NCO icon if said NCO is In Formation. While not much, they do now have something to differ themselves with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quaker View Post

    I am asking what CG’s stance on it is. As far as I know it’s still up in the air. Do they think anyone spawning as Officer is fine as it is or is the plan to change it? They must have some inkling after 6 months of public play and all the feedback on this issue.
    We have no current plans regarding introducing officer election/voting systems. The reason for us wanting to keep it open comes down to us not wanting half the gametime being spent on trying to get enough people to vote an officer off because he managed to misstep a bit - instead the hope is for players to accept the fact that the current officer is just that, the current officer. If he's inexperienced, the hope is to have players trying to guide him to the proper actions so he may become experienced instead of trying to vote him off.

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