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    Well the author of the articles that me and Hinkel posted stated this: "I am very convinced that the dead seen in these images are members of the 151st Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment. Initially I would have thought them to be the dead of the 24th Michigan, but what I understand now shows me that the Iron Brigade skirted to the north of this location, falling back, past the 151st Pennsylvania who were going to take the brunt of Virginia and North Carolina units pressing through the woods. The 151st Pennsylvania made their stand on the crest, in front of the edge of the woods where Reynolds fell, until falling back across the field bordered by fences to the north and south."

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    Yes I think they're 151st as well, but that doesn't explain the attire. If you go to Gettysburg... or just view the location from Google maps the 151st monument is about 50 yards further towards the woods. It's not uncommon or hard-to-believe many monuments are misplaced. And for other reasons I just don't see them advancing stupidly exposed beyond the slope like that. With the smoke, confusion, and trauma plus only seeing the ground once it would be easy to mess that up when placing your monument. Every account I've read about the 151st places them farther forward, halfway in the woods. That could very well be wrong. But the 151st report claims their left was anchored on a ravine. The ravine is further forward than this position. It's a subtle little ravine so that does seem to entail they may have reached further up. I don't think they did, but they might have.

    However if these were Iron brigade dead then that changes a couple of things because the 2nd Wisconsin went right through there but did not halt to fire... Most or all the Iron Brigade casualties in the photo were lost from one volley then, which may make sense since they believe they lost ~100 from one volley. That could easily entail ~15-20 instantly killed. But then General Reynolds was probably not killed so far forward, as is thought but further back. In fact if that were the case I suspect he was killed within the view of the second photo. A staff courier said he saw Reynolds "lying by the two little elms alongside the fence, dying or dead." The two little trees by the fence are rather conspicuous to me. Granted, there was also a fence at the edge of the woods.

    So that seems plausible. Witness accounts also claim that Reynolds may have been killed by rebels in the "Eastern Finger" of Reynolds woods. This has always been a point in accounts which has to be explained since it doesn't make a lot of sense. The thing is, the 'official' spot and monument has always been placed beyond that 'finger of woods'. It just seems silly for Reynolds to be killed so far forward so recklessly. I know the guy was brave but that would put enemy shooting him from a few yards away. And I think it'd be mostly absurd if he was killed that far forward of his first regiment he sent in. Did they even deploy skirmishers (in the movie they do )? They were relieving Buford's cavalry so I could see them not. That would also partly explain the high losses from the initial enemy volley.

    If so that's quite a feat for Gardner to take a photo of the "Field where Reynolds fell" a few days after the battle and to this day everybody thinks he was killed at the edge of the woods.

    Check out the youtube video I edited in if you want the common consensus version about the mystery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poorlaggedman View Post
    Yes I think they're 151st as well, but that doesn't explain the attire. If you go to Gettysburg... or just view the location from Google maps the 151st monument is about 50 yards further towards the woods. It's not uncommon or hard-to-believe many monuments are misplaced.
    The Monument to the 151st has this inscribed on it though: "July 1. Fought here (where the monument is) and in the grove west of the Theological Seminary." West of the Theological Seminary (United Lutheran Seminary) is that field/ grove that the article points to. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Un...8!4d-77.244826

    Again though, still doesn't describe attire, but at least it confirms that they were in the spot.
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    They were the reserve regiment for the whole 1st Corps and were sent to where their monument is approximately and ended up covering the retreat of the Iron Brigade and what was left of their own brigade. It's not unusual for monuments to be known to be off so that would be no surprise. After getting wrecked doing that, much of what was left of the 1st Corps withdrew and fought again near the seminary including the grove near it. Their second position wasn't out that far it was closer to the seminary building.

    A lot of the modern treeline in that area are unhistorical encroachments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A. P. Hill View Post
    You'll also notice none are wearing shoes.

    Since gaiters go overs shoes, it's likely they've been removed by the looting.
    true, but since they would not likely keep gaiters, wouldn't we see them strewn about?
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    You'd be surprised at the fact that Confederate troops would keep the gaiters. (However, if you have historical evidence to back up your claim, I'd be interested in seeing it.)

    Especially since they're used to keep stones and dirt out of your shoes. Not to mention keeping the open ends of your pants legs from getting under your feet if the legs are too long.

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    There's a lot of debris spread around the photos. What I posted as a kepi coming off the soldier looks odd from the other angle. Get the highest resolution photos from the library of congress (~100mb/piece) and check them out. You can literally see flies with it. Keep in mind there's about five photos in total so one might have a better version than the other. I linked the best I can find. There's a few items that I don't know what they are. The young-looking soldier with the relatively intact face has something visible in one view right above his head. There's also an item near the upright kepi hat visible from the same angle.

    I was always perplexed by the wire/stringy object placed on top of one of their chests.
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    Interesting to be sure.

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    According to Scott Hartwig on page "158"

    By the time of Gettysburg the frock coats and leggings had largely disappeared, and most of the men wore the standard uniform of U. S. Volunteers, but the Hardee Hat remained the signature of the brigade, and all enlisted men still wore it

    http://npshistory.com/series/symposi.../10/essay5.pdf

    I'm curious about the buttons on the wrists? Did the standard uniforms have that? And how many buttons down the front. This is really intriguing me because the more I look into this the more it seems more plausible
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    Boy the information age is really something. I knew about this photo of the burial crew but I've found a print with less cropped out on the edges revealing two new members of the burial crew and what looks like the very edge of a horseman on the right edge of the photo just barely discernible

    Library of Congress burial crew:
    https://www.loc.gov/item/91732541/

    Less cropped version:
    pottsmerc.image.jpg

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZwMEfCpACJcibu226

    Any opinion on the burial crews?
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