Im sorry, but it's a refferencing a racial stereotype, so it's exactly the same. There are no varying degree's of racism.
Perfectly stated (although I'm English I would very much agree that Washington is worthy of celebration).
It's good that you are 'always up for learning' so let's do a little of that shall we? Slavery- noun - the state of being a slave: the practice or system of owning slaves: a condition of having to work very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation. A 'slave' can be ANY race,creed or colour. A slave trader/owner can be any race, creed or colour. Many slave traders were African tribal chiefs who sold captives into slavery....were they racist as well? As Traider put it, ''There is something to be said about the duality of man, men like Lee just like us possess good and bad qualities. To look at only the bad things he has done isn’t really fair''. So is it not possible that those in the south who fly those flags, those who erect those statues, are celebrating brave men and NOT condoning slavery? Of course it's possible, in fact it's probable, but because you have made up your mind that those symbols represent racism....then that's set in stone? Here was I thinking that America was the land of the free.
The southern cross has become a symbol of racism all over the world, go after those who FLY it as such. The likes of the KKK and all the neo groups, THEY are the ones who tarnish America's heritage.
''I'm here to play an American Civil War era combat game, not Call of Duty with muskets.''.
Well at least we can all agree that this topic is going nowhere, and that racism and slavery is wrong.
The beginning and end of my argument is that, as new to the online gaming scene, the racism I ran into while playing WoR (and I'm sure in other games, but again I don't have much experience) is despicable and I can't just tell myself 'oh it's just trolls, ignore them' - for me personally it's enough of a reason to return the computer I bought to play the game and go do something else instead. I played for 38 hours total, if it was an isolated problem I would hope that it would take a lot more playing time to run into it repeatedly. It took me from excited to play the game to bummed out. A way of kicking such people out of the public servers would be great, that's all.
CSA Major
lmatts, i really wish you would have joined, or experienced a Company for Regiment play. The way the game was designed to play from the ground up. No racism,or trolls, or mindless combat or ramboing. Its basically a 150 man digital reenactment. Soon to be 200 players.
If you ever come back, please look into it, you will be glad you did.
Cheers.
How in the world did we end up talking about race???
Seems like nobody really cares.
I got this information directly from the UDC themselves as I know two people affiliated with the organization.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...-Virginia.html
I saw that the question was asked "Why didn't the police stop it?" Well my answer for that is they had to literally fight their way there so the fire department could put the fire out.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...-Virginia.html
You won't find any news articles about the artifacts because it hasn't been reported on.
That's not correct. I condemn him in hand. I Know plenty about him, and I know that he wanted to keep Virginia free and that he himself, it is said, hated slavery. And yet he still gave his blood, sweat and tears for the right to own people.
Saying he was a "good" man and a great general and was polite to the ladies and was really just a man who loved Virginia, doesn't change what he was fighting for.
Agreed.
For the record, I think it is fair to compare the Confederacy to Nazi Germany - both started wars (that they lost) based on racial arrogance - and yes I know the soldiers who fought for them weren't always willing or enthusiastic supporters of their causes. The holocaust was horrific but the Jewish people don't have a monopoly on suffering, black children were shackled and branded for hundreds of years.
I hope we can have an open minded, civil conversation about these subjects without resorting to condescending dictionary definitions. I realize slavery has been around as long as humans have, but in the 'land of the free' with 'justice and liberty for all' it should be different if we're espousing such ideals. At a BLM rally in my town a bunch of dudes showed up with AR15s to 'defend' the town from our crowd of peaceful people who believe systemic racism needs to stop. They just found a monkey hanging from a noose one town over, so those are the kind of people who fly the CSA battle flag where I live... I hope you'll forgive me for not thinking they're celebrating brave men.
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